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  Ray Franz Comments on the Memorial as Celebrated by Jehovah's Witnesses...

  by LUKEWARM in

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  thought this will be of interest at this time of year..... .

  dear daniel,.

  i appreciated your latest letter.

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  Best thread I've read in a long time...
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  If 1914 is wrong then how is it that it was such a landmark year?

  by awakening in

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  2. friends

  this is the question that came up in my mind.

  now dont get me wrong i know the dates from 607 - 1914 are rubbish, but how would you explain to a witness when they will automatically say, look at the momentus year 1914 was.

  that is evidence enough that 607 is correct!.

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  There were many doomsday religions latching on to John Aquila Brown's in the 1870s.

  On thing thay had in common was that that they were all throwing darts at a calendar in their futile attempts to predict Armageddon... Some were saying 1912, others were saying 1913, 1917, etc...

  The ones that came "close" to the bulls eye were the Bible Students... They hit October 1914 (instead on July 1914... the start of WWII)... but keep in mind that the prediction was for Armageddon to arrive in 1914 (not a World War)...

  Also, they were teaching that Jesus had taken the throne in 1874 (and didn't change it to 1914 until the late 20's)...

  But the Watchtower has managed to put their spin on these events knowing all too well that most Dubs will simply believe them and not make any effort to investigate the facts...
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  PO refuses to give me a "shepherding" visit ... wtf ???

  by Calebs Airplane in

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  2. beliefs

  so 2 weeks ago i received an email from the po... he wants to give my wife and i a shepherding call very soon... but get this... he mentioned that they had already made shepherding calls to the entire congo and we were the only ones left... i don't know whether i'm i supposed to feel loved or despised (by that completely irrelevant comment).

  he's probably doing this to impress the co who is probably visiting soon.... my response to his email was basically: no problem... please feel free to stop by anytime... however, no need to come with a second person.

  i would prefer a 1 on 1 meeting (not 2 on 1).

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  Konceptual99... awesome references... thanks!

  00DAD... I think you're right...
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  PO refuses to give me a "shepherding" visit ... wtf ???

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so 2 weeks ago i received an email from the po... he wants to give my wife and i a shepherding call very soon... but get this... he mentioned that they had already made shepherding calls to the entire congo and we were the only ones left... i don't know whether i'm i supposed to feel loved or despised (by that completely irrelevant comment).

  he's probably doing this to impress the co who is probably visiting soon.... my response to his email was basically: no problem... please feel free to stop by anytime... however, no need to come with a second person.

  i would prefer a 1 on 1 meeting (not 2 on 1).

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  So 2 weeks ago I received an email from the PO... He wants to give my wife and I a shepherding call very soon... but get this... he mentioned that they had already made shepherding calls to the entire congo and we were the ONLY ones left... I don't know whether I'm I supposed to feel loved or despised (by that completely irrelevant comment). He's probably doing this to impress the CO who is probably visiting soon...

  My response to his email was basically: No problem... please feel free to stop by anytime... however, no need to come with a second person. I would prefer a 1 on 1 meeting (not 2 on 1). Also, since I now encourage my wife to think independently and make her own decisions, you'd have to ask her directly if she would like to receive a visit from you. (btw, I was hoping he'd agree to a 1 on 1 with me so I can pull out some authentic old publications I have stashed away in a box.. more about that in another thread soon)

  But, after 2 weeks, I received no response to my email; so I called him up and asked him when he would like to stop by. He responded: 'Caleb, you know we can't do these sheperding calls with just one elder and you were very specific about that in your response to my email, remember?'

  My immediate thought was: wtf ??? which scripture did they twist around to arrive at that idiotic conclusion?

  But I decided to take a deep breath and ask him what scriptures say anything about that... he couldn't remember the exact scripture but mentioned "the one where the apostles were sent in pairs to different territories"

  Yes... believe it or not, he couldn't remember that scripture. (neither could I, but I've been out for several years now)

  Anyway, I'll spare you all the back and forth that ensued over the phone. Suffice to say that this elder is extremely hard core to the bone and didn't yield one iota on his biblically baseless stance about the 2-elder shepherding call...

  So my question to any existing or ex-elders on this forum is this... What the hell is my PO talking about? Where is he getting this idea that he can't go on a shepherding call alone even when a Dub specifically requests it?
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  Faced with loss of tax breaks, Danish WTS drops "Bible-Based" stance

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  from an awake!

  correspondent in cyber-space:

  with the threat of removal of tax breaks hanging over their heads, watchtower has changed from ther bible-based position.

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  So the Danish government demanded that the WT lose the 2-witness rule, or face losing tax breaks ?????

  Am I missing something here???
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  Jacked up Religion!!! God's word for us through Jeremiah!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

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  i slept horribly last night because of stress.

  it's been a while since i had insomnia, but the meetings are slowly causing that disorder to make a comeback.

  the " bible " study was one of the most messed up things that i have heard in a long time.

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  ???

  Sorry for my ignorance, but was this subject covered in the book study this week?
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  They read off the names of those auxilliary pioneering; 75% of them don't work &

  by Theocratic Sedition in

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  2. friends

  half of that 75% get disability and ssi checks.

  it was kinda funny sitting there listening to them go down the line, name by name, of the ones auxilliary pioneering since the numbers are dropped to 30 hours for march & april.

  as they were doing the names i was saying to myself, "she don't work", "she supposedly can't work", "he hasn't worked in years", "she gets a check", "she's probably gonna lie about the amount of hours she did" etc.. gotta love it.. i don't know if this happens in your congregation or not, but have you ever heard someone remark about someone else behind their back, "she can show up at every gathering, but she can't show up for field service!

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  Aside from the conveniently disabled Dubs who receive benefits from the State, I know some Dubs who are just "attention whores"... they'll do anything for attention.... including aux pio-sneering (if it meant getting their names read from the platform)...

  I also know some slackers who suddenly aux pio-sneer a month before an expected major gathering (wedding reception, bethel tour, anniversary party. etc.) because they know that this significantly increases their chances of getting invited and finding a partner at these gatherings. After they meet their significant other, chances are they no longer sign up for pio-sneering for the rest of their lives...
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  Lot's Wife Dot-to-Dot for Kids IS child abuse. Active parents - please read.

  by likeabird in

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  2. child-abuse

  i'm posting this in the public section as i would like any active witness with children to think about this carefully.. .

  for those of you who haven't seen it yet, this is the picture in question :.

  (source : http://www.jw.org/assets/m/ijw13fr/502013170/ijw13fr_id-502013170_e/502013170_e_cnt_1.pdf ).

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  In the "Become Jehovah's Friend" video, Caleb's well-trained mother was quick to show him a Witch Tower artist's rendering of Adam & Eve in their frightening zombie-like old age... I'm sure most JW kids who have been shown that illustration after misbehaving have been traumatized to certain extents...

  The Witch Tower Writing dept has mastered the sick art of fear-mongering and they know no bounds...
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  Bibles out of stock at Bethel?

  by nochoice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  our congregation is rationing regular bibles like they're gold bars.

  i was told that bethel is out of stock!

  anyone else hear about this?

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  Sorry Outlaw... I stole your pic for a sec... wanted to put my own caption on it...

  

  Elder: Honey, let's just keep talking to each other. If we do, no one will approach us, time will go by fast and we can count our time.

  Elder's Wife: Good idea... what do you want me to cook for lunch?
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  Who pioneered with the promise of having 'Jehovah provide' and ended up dirt poor anyway?

  by Julia Orwell in

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  2. friends

  i ask this because the wt always bangs on about if you trust in jehovah and make that leap into pioneering, you will always be provided for.

  at the time i joined the cult, a friend was continuous aux.

  pioneering.

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  The Witch Tower has an easy answer for that... If you ended up poor, it just means you didn't trust Jehovah as much as you should have... Works every time...